Orange Pi needs to go back into the oven.

Orange Pi – Is it ready for the world?

We received the Orange Pi (Or OrangePi) because like many Pi users I am always looking for something faster to run emulators and games within the ARM based universe. Emulation on the Raspberry Pi is good but lags a little for the more cpu intensive emulation like Nintendo 64 as just one example. When Orange Pi initially released their $15 (plus 3 dollar shipping from auction site ali-express) dollar computer featuring a quad-core based arm7 processor at around 1.6ghz. It was certainly worth a try.

The Orange Pi Out of its box.

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 Actually USING the Orange Pi by prepping your memory cards.

Lets get right down to using this Pi instead of being like many of the blogs out there which want to give everything with the word “Pi” in it a cosmic hand-job over how awesome the hardware is. Don’t get me wrong , I am humbled to live in an age where you can hold in the palm of your hand the same computing power that took an entire data center from the 90’s to handle. But Orange Pi is riding on the massive success of the Raspberry Pi and even coming out to say that everything that you learned from the Pi will be compatible with the Orange Pi. But like everything in life there is a catch to it all!

Orange Pi really hates slow TF/Micro-SD cards.

If you have anything less then a class 10 TF/Micro-SD card you are pretty much screwed in getting the Orange Pi to work. The testing and production of the Orange Pi was massively rushed and as a result it can’t step down to be more compatible with other types of TF cards. This is a minor problem now-a-days as you can actually get class 10 Micro-SD cards to relatively cheap. We personally picked up a pack of 3-32gb patriot SD cards for around $12 which is good because we’re going to be using all of the cards to really test out each of the linux distros and android as well.

Orange Pi android OS loading is really bizarre.

You have to use a program called “PhoenixCard” in order to load the Android image onto a SD card for your Orange Pi. This is because of the bizarre way it partitions and assigns boot-sectors to it in order to make your SD card actually boot-able.

Orange Pi lights can be confusing.

Unlike Raspberry Pi which shows you a power light, MMC, Network light, and Banana Pi which just goes totally crazy with the lighting down to even giving you a heart-beat as to what is going on. The Orange Pi is almost the opposite. It actually will only give you a red light if it can sense the TF card WITH the proper image load to boot up on it. Network lights are totally solid with no activity making users believe that their Orange Pi is defective or DOA. This aspect of the Orange Pi just a poor design and resulted in many YouTube videos of people saying their unit is DOA when in all reality the Pi is perfectly find and probably has a bad load on the TF-Card

Orange Pi Front and Back with Heatsink.

Orange Pi hardware and build quality:

The unit that we acquired is an Orange Pi PC v1.2. Click here if you want to see the specs of this unit. As far as the build quality is concerned, there was people that were complaining about cold solder joints and crooked connections. However, since I was a bit late to the party and didn’t get my pi direct from china for $15 instead I picked it up from an American vendor for around $22 dollars. My Orange Pi looks very good. clean soldering with no crooked or loose connections on it.

USB just to power your most basic devices on the Orange Pi is practically non-existent.

Now this is something that almost all Pi’s are guilty of to one extent or another. But Orange Pi takes this to a whole different level. Yes, it gives you 3 USB ports and 4 if you count the OTG connector. But as I discovered even plugging in a keyboard rated at 80mA is enough to shut down to the USB port. Unbelievable! I have to actually use a powered USB hub in order to use the thing!

Much heat, such burn! WOW!

Now that I got my doge meme’ mode out of the way the Orange Pi gets stupid hot! To the point where it starts shutting down cores in order to keep it from locking up. Now as many brownie points as I can give to a unit that doesn’t simply lock like the Raspberry Pi B+ did to me in my previous blog. It’s simply unacceptable to sell a product stating how awesome it will be without providing adequate thermal protection for your the product that you are selling.

Ground-Plane heating issue!

Also noted the Orange Pi is one of the only units I have worked with where the TF card slot was burning hot!!! So in effect the ground plane of this board is also acting as the heat-sink? This could be suspect of many memory card deaths if this is the case. This is because in many of the images there is no scaling of CPU clock when idle versus at full load. And they overvolted the CPU to run at approximately 1.52Ghz  at all times. Currently the SunXI team are working on a kernel patch to prevent this from happening to the point where  you no longer require a heat-sink. For those wondering this was not happening in just one image where the CPU was maxed out all of the time like the Android load I was using. This was happening is Raspbian, Debian, and Ubuntu as well. Unless of course you jump onto the Orange Pi forums and download one of the user generated distros which has the power management featre built into the app finally.

Heat-sink and fans recommended.

Now if you’re saying that you need a heat sink on all Pi’s. If you’re playing games on it like emulators non-stop then perhaps. But on both my Raspberry and Banana Pi I was running a lot of stuff on them and the worst that happens is they get warm . So that’s why I can’t excuse the OrangePi for it’s burning chips. Some people on the forums try to explain away the burning issue that it’s simply an issue with power management going to the Chip that it isn’t Xunlong software’s fault. But it kind of is when the release images heat up the chips the same way! If you don’t spend the time to actually regulate your own chips then you deserve blame.

Orange Pi’s muffled microphone.

When doing some basic sound-tests in Android. The end-results of the quality is like a very low quality android phone. You can do it. But the muffed quality is simply bad. You are probably better off de-soldering the microphone and attaching a jack to add your own non-powered microphone to do a better job.

Casing of the the Orange Pi:Orange Pi Casing.

Just like my Banana Pi I have placed the Orange Pi into one of my black ABS box cases that I got ultra cheap and re-wired the power, USB, and Ethernet to one side, while positioning the main board against another side to make HDMI and audio accessible. Once again I’m using two LM2596s to govern over the power regulation of this unit as I have an abundant amount of 12vdc power supplies to use. But unlike my Banana Pi case mod where one controls the board and the other controls a SSD drive at a constant and stable 5.10vdc. Only one going to the board and USB ports is powered at 5.10vdc the fan is potted down to around 3.8vdc where it is practically silent. Even the Orange Pi heats up you don’t need massive air-flow to keep the cores from shutting down. just barely enough to move air around is more then enough. Orange Pi internals in ABS casing. I never believed in purchasing a pre-built case for a Pi, it should be something that is made yourself, from Legos to wood to recycled ABS cases. It simply adds more character.

Special notes about modding tools.

It should be noted that using just a dremmel and a file may not be the most ideal for ABS plastic case modding. My cuts are rough with most of the covered by screws whenever possible. There is special tools that mount to heating guns which allow you to make perfect squares in thin material such as plastic. As always, make sure to wear safety protection gear such as glasses and ear plugs. Also be sure to operate said power tools in a well ventilated area.

Lets talk about Orange Pi’s software for a moment:

In this section, I’m going to break down some of my experiences with the Orange Pi starting with just the general software issues that were experienced.

Support for Orange Pi on forums.

When it comes down to Orange Pi as a company their lack of communication and the company made images of the Orange Pi are just about laughable. Their version of Raspbian is just a made of BananaPi with their mods attached to it in a very poor manner. Which leaves you twisting in the wind in the hopes of relying on the community. And although there are a few people out there which is trying to make a difference like “Loboris” on the forums which is making stable distro’s for the Orange Pi there’s only so much a handful of people can do. And with Sound not working and crippled video. It leaves the options rather limited for what you can do with the Orange Pi in terms of game development.

Lost in translation.

As an example I wanted to find out if there was a way that android Bluetooth was supported and what possible USB dongles I could get for it so I could hook up my Ouya controllers inside of an Android OS on The Orange Pi. Turns out there was a thread dealing with this but due to misinterpretation they think Bluetooth compatibility and wi-fi compatibility are the same thing. Thread derailed with no moderation to correct. It’s those things that can really set you apart from being a community that is informed to just a chaotic nightmare. Also when someone was trying to correct some of the issues such as accelerated video the users in that comments statements like this:

Please don’t distribute images. We don’t want to dumb down the community. – Orange Pi Forum User

Right, because it’s real fun compiling everything on Linux from scratch right? Especially in half-completed documentation and broken links. Cull out the herds from your community until there’s just you and maybe some other jackass that is exactly like like. That’s a terrific business model for selling Orange Pi board. Elitist prick.

Incredibly slow speeds from google play on Orange Pi.MALI GPU in Android:

This is the most brutal blow to owning this Orange Pi. That the MALI chip-set doesn’t even work in all of the Linux images I have tried. Granted, It’s just a MALI400 chip-set so don’t expect miracles out of it. It is at the very least expected it to WORK like the Raspberry did. What Orange Pi delivered was a lot of trash talk stating how awesome this chip is if and when you can use it. Now you can use this in android and was able to get XBMC loaded onto android as you could see in the videos posted. But it’s slow underneath android the h265 decoding is meaningless if you’re running android 4.2 or 4.4 as even though the chip may be capable of handling it only Android 5.0 can fully use the library which Android 5.0 is not coming to a unit that only has 1GB of ram. This makes the Orange Pi useless to anyone who wants to game or emulate or hell even use this as a media PC! The version of android used was found on the Orange Pi’s forums as the official Orange Pi Android release is all in Chinese. And ultimately had to go on their forums to download a user compiled version of android that was usable in English as well as other languages.

Custom images

This is another department that really hurts the Orange Pi. Apparently the Orange Pi version 1 can accept images from Raspbian directly. However, the Orange Pi 2 and Orange Pi PC versions cannot and need their images modified with a kernel in order for it to work properly. This is a major set-back and only serves to fragment the ARM community by doing this. There are people out there trying to unify drivers for the processor, GPU, and sound under an Allwinner project. But that project is simply not ready to welcome Orange Pi into the mix again.

Painfully slow android!

From navigation inside of google play, to launching a simple app like file explorer. Everything moves so slow on this unit. We expected it to at least come to par with something like a GameStik but it’s even slower then that with heat-sink and fan pointed at it. It’s a real shame. Perhaps it may be one of those bugs in the images once again and it’ll get better over time. When loading games such as BombSquad via GooglePlay, The Mali Chip does do its job, but it’s constantly waiting for data to download which generates large gaps of lag during game play. This may come full circle back to the cores overheating and/or issues with the CPU bus talking to the TF card.

Update 4/23/16 – Use the right kind of card!

SanDisk - SDHC UHS-1 Class 10 micro-sd card.No matter what android image you use doesn’t like the fact that there’s extra space on the card despite Phoenix-Loader compensating for this by expanding the file system. My PNY 32GB card was the one driving the entire android OS feel like we were loading it off of a floppy drive. The moment I used a 8GB-Class 10 card like the one pictured here it began to access applications and games at a far more reasonable speed. Granted not awesome speeds. But at least “Usable”

Broken scripts and custom partition tables.

Unless you are using one of the forum images. On the Orange Pi the most simplest action to expand the filesystem are useless.

sudo resize2fs /dev/mmcblk0p2

This will instantly throw you an error saying it’s already at the maximum amount of blocks. This means you have to result doing this manually in fdisk:

sudo fdisk /dev/mmcblk0

press the following to display the tables:


Upon this will list your partition tables, you’ll note how the Orange Pi’s partitions do not start on zero? It’s strange, take note as to where partition 1 ends as we will need that info in a bit. then:




To delete partition 2 (don’t worry, nothing has changed until we write the partition.) Now we make a new partition:




And the partition number:


Now it will ask us where to start the partition. We want to start it one block from the end of the first partition. Once you have that set it will then default to the full size of the SD/TF card instead of only giving you a few megs.


To view the changes again verify everything is set correctly.


To finally write data to the SD Card. As a note it will not take effect until you reboot your Pi.

sudo shutdown -r now

once you have rebooted your Orange Pi you can then finally enter in

sudo resize2fs /dev/mmcblk0p2

to reclaim the rest of your TF card. From here you can go about your apt-get update and apt-get upgrade without worrying about running out of space. As for WHY it was broken? Well, this gets back to the way the Orange Pi PC compiles their images breaking the standards that are already in place.

No-Go on using Orange Pi as a NAS server.

If you’ve been reading my previous blog I did find a use for my Banana Pi M1 to be a very efficient NAS server complete with SATA port hooked to a 120GB SSD drive getting approximatly 140MB/sec which is awesome! But I know what you’re asking.

S, there’s a new Orange Pi called the Orange Pi 2 Plus. It has SATA on it. It should be better then what your running on the Banana Pi M1 right now.

Orange Pi Plus 2 SATA Board Bottom Scam.

The answer is “NO!” Here’s why:

Let’s push aside the cost factor for a moment here. The Banana Pi M1 housed a A20 Armv7 processor that had a very unique feature built right into the chip which is to handle SATA traffic directly to the microprocessor. Very few ARMv7 chips on the market mirror what the A20 did. Unlike Banana Pi which just angered us by them flat out lying to their customers by stating that their upgraded version the Banana Pi M3 is exactly like the M1 in every way but faster only to get your money only to later on feel buyers remorse when you look at the fine print. The Orange Pi people simply put on a chip because users kept asking for it not really understand what it means to have on-board SATA in the first place. The Orange Pi Plus 2 suffers from the same anemic chip-set bandwidth problems that the Banana Pi M3 does with transfer rates only being around 14MB/sec . 1/10th of the throughput speed of the banana Pi M1. Although with more processor power would come faster Gigabit transfer rates then 400Mb/sec. The Orange Pi Plus 2 defeats itself before it even had the chance of becoming a good NAS server. Just like the Banana Pi M3 the only thing the Orange Pi Plus 2 has going for it is 2gb of ram which is useful for heavy hitting programs like java. At this point of the game since they’re no longer making Armv7 processor with native SATA in them you minus well hunt for a board with USB 3.0 if you ever want NAS capability out of a Pi-like Board.

Recommended usage.

If you have some headless needs that require a lot of CPU power such as OpenSim running the Mono development platform or hosting quake matches or even a heavy duty JAVA app such as CoffeeMUD the Orange Pi may be something worth looking at. If you’re expecting this unit to come to life out of the box for all of your emulation and gaming needs you may be a little disappointed. Will it replace my Banana Pi M1? Probably not, even with just dual-core 1.0ghz it stays as the OpenSim and fileserver of choice due to Gigabit ethernet and SATA controller. The Orange Pi 2 has those features as well but for MORE then the cost of the Banana Pi M2. So not worth it in my book.

Money spent on Orange Pi project (calculated into US Currency.)

It’s only 15 bucks S! Come on! Don’t be a jerk!

When it comes to anything with the word “Pi” in it nothing is ever worth the face value . You get the board and that’s it. There’s so much more that you need to get before you can consider it a workable/safe unit . So, lets break down what all was personally spent on this Orange Pi project:

  • $4 – MicroSD Class10 Patriot card. – NewEgg.
  • $22 – Orange Pi from Ebay – American Dealer.
  • $0.75 hammond-style ABS enclosure – American Science and Surplus – Physical Store nearby.
  • $1.00 – 2x LM2596 DC step down circuits 12vdc < – > 5.10vdc 3amps max.

Sub-Total : $27.75

Items not factored into Orange Pi project budget:

  • I-pad charger to charge Orange Pi with – Found in parking lot in working order.
  • Self-Powered USB hub so Orange Pi didn’t drop out if too many devices were plugged in – From previous bitcoin project.
  • 40mm fan used for cooling. – Recovered from old Pentium motherboard.
  • Pack of 10 blue chipset heatsink coolers. – Unused from old Geforce video card upgrade.
  • Keyboard/Mouse/HDMI cables to actually interact with unit.


We are being a little rough on my review of this poor device and we do apologize for this. But competition for the embedded computer market has exploded since the invention of the Raspberry Pi and in order for Orange Pi to truly compete, they have to make the conversion from the many flavors of Pi as transparent and painless as possible. And so far, the Orange Pi has failed at the time of this posting. We want to see the fastest/cheapest Pi that the end-user world can get their hands on. But not at the cost of hours wasted obtaining some level of proprietary support.

Final thoughts:

So the basic concept of the Orange Pi business model is this:

  • The community submits update images to actually make the Orange Pi work.
  • The community and third party groups such as SUNXI and the Allwinner projects corrects its own problems with software by debugging and reporting back to itself.
  • The community receives little to no communication from Xunlong software about the issues going on. (Xunlong, you’re making me feel like being with Ouya again guys)
  • Xunlong Software / Orange Pi makers just pump out a board and take your money.

Suddenly, you appreciate paying $35 to Raspberry Pi to continue their notion to educate people. I now start to worry about my kick-starter investment into C.H.I.P. To call this “A new generation of mini PC” as the website of Orange Pi states may be pushing it a little when the unit has not even come out of its beta stages of software development. The whole concept of getting something this powerful is truly amazing but it doesn’t come without its faults. These are my opinions and findings and mine alone. Facts are subject to change based on the progress of software/hardware development. If it makes at least one person think twice before an impulse buy and take a hard look at these Chinese boards before buying then it is considered a mission success story to us. Look at the community, see the problems out there, look at the hardware. Understand that just because it has the word “Pi” in it doesn’t mean it’ll be as great as the original. Especially if it’s a fraction of the cost. Give support to companies that truly want to earn your support. Instead of just ignoring you after they receive their money. That’s all we have to say. END OF LINE+++

33 thoughts on “Orange Pi needs to go back into the oven.

  1. I’m so glad i came to your blog cos I thought that all problems I have with android and other images was just me :D, i got the newest lubuntu working and it works fine. Thanks for the resizing part :D

  2. Damn im late, i’ve already bought it :-U

    Lucky me i already had AC charger and powered USB HUB.

    Thank you for such comprehensive article.

    • Well! The good news is the Orange Pi is probably one of the cheapest ones to loose your money on. Also note that this article is a little dated and I have heard that the Orange Pi COMMUNITY has been making progress in getting 3d acceleration working in some of their later images. Just make sure you have a really good flash card and it should be fine to play around with at least. If you’re doing anything CPU intensive we’d recommend putting a heatsink on it. Like the Pi’s they get a little toasty.

  3. Hi, just to say that now time has passed and software (unofficial) support has -very much- improved both android and linux

    That review could probably apply to the H5 new generation boards without much edtiing, but maybe it is time to look h3droid and armbian projects and pull those h3 boards out of the drawer ;)

    H3 boards are still the cheapest and now they run fine thanks to linux-sunxi & armbian community.

    • I also heard that they’ve been getting the chipsets working on the Pine A64’s as well. So it might be time to revisit all of these embedded boards again and see how much they have changed.

  4. Orange Pi, + DS18B20 + jumper leads + resistor came to less then $10, and works perfectly as a digital thermometer. However, do NOT use Android on them, Android is the biggest bottleneck. Instead I installed Armbian’s version of Debian, which runs really slick and really nice.

    • I use my OrangePi for an OpenSimulator server. works out rather well given the cost and the cpu power. But a lot of people jump into these devices thinking it’s going to be like the raspberry pi. which it isn’t. certain aspects are underdeveloped for it such as the GLES modes. It took them a while just to get the GPIO working with most of the kernel builds out there.

      So yeah. it’s a great system for headless usage provided you find a SD card that works and supply it with the power it needs. And android would probably work find as well if people purchased these Chinese board variants with eMMC storage built in so android can read the OS at a sustainable rate of speed. because Class 10 SD as an android OS sucks.:)

  5. Does anyone have any views on Orange Pi Zero ($7/9 with 256/512MB) running under Armbian legacy kernel?

    Especially making WiFi work?

    How about GPU use with TV channel like video streaming ( no videogames)?
    (Basically doing HW video decoding on GPU to free up the CPU with VDPAU driver.)

    Can we use the very popular VLC here to do multi-streaming from HDMI and TVout ports on higher models, or with OPi0 using Wifi and TVout ?

  6. These boards are very fussy about what SDcards they will boot from, but I found that they worked with Class4 Kingstons.
    I had a couple that wouldn’t boot Armbian at first, but for some reason, after booting into Android once, they now work with Armbian perfectly.

  7. Hi,

    All, I have an OPI Lite (OPI One with a wifi) & it is working flawlessly using Armbian (
    I just got it & I don’t know the history of the board but I think they are working hard to make it stand among other boards.
    I’m using it headless as MQTT server for my home automation project.

    Currently I am trying DietPi ( but not for the Lite but for the One – I am trying to get the built-in wifi to work with it but not yet working.

    For these specs & this price I think OPI Lite is great for IoT.

  8. There is a Cantonese saying “no such big goose running along the streets”.
    When I was looking around for an upgrade to the first gen RPi, this seemed like a dream (based on price and specs).
    After reading your post, I realize that I may have purchased a cheap alternative that could even be worse than my RPi.

    Awaiting delivery of the OPi from China (free shipping! wow!)

    Well, it is a cheap price for lesson learnt (unless this thing blows up on me like a Note7).

    • I am not a fan of oragne-pi. However i have seen most of the people (including me) make the mistake of using a cheap power supply as the power source. My advice is that if you fail to boot the board, just hookup a usb to ttl converter to the serial connector and try to see the log. If it abruptly stops, power supply is to be blamed.
      Eventually i used the usb port of my laptop to power the board and everything worked without any problem.


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